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Converting a Series Land Rover to a 200 tdi engine

Much of the information from this conversion comes from Glen Anderson and other members of the series II club.
Made available with permission

 

American and Canadian Series Land rover owners have always been searching for ways to get more power in their Land Rovers. A small engine bay, narrow frame rails and a desire to keep a Land Rover engine has made the search difficult.  Dramatic upswings in fuel costs have added the search for a more fuel efficient engine as well.  The best all around solution for Americans may well be the Land Rover 200 tdi from a Defender.  It fits into a Series Land Rover four cylinder engine bay without modifications to the bay and can be made to fit a Series gearbox. Add an overdrive, 24 spline rear axles and your'e good to go.

Land Rover 200tdi in a Series Land Rover
200tdi from a Defender being installed in a Series Land Rover 88
Photo by TeriAnn Wakeman at the Palo Alto All British Field Meet

 

Some 200 tdi history:

Before there was the 200tdi there was the 2.5L turbo diesel, type 19J and the 2.5L diesel.   The 2.5L normally aspirated diesel is a very reliable engine, it  just did not produce a whole lot of power.  The 2.5td was another story all together and commonly suffered from internal engine block cracks which are not repairable.   Land Rover introduced a new cylinder block for the 2.5 Turbo diesel starting from engine number 19J27515C as a cure.

The 200tdi was introduced for the 1990 model year.  The new tdi engine was a lot stronger than the 2.5 turbo diesel it replaced.  The block was strengthened internally with an aluminium ladder frame bolted to the bearing caps.  The cylinder head was all-new and a direct injection fuel system was used .  These engines have gained an impressive reputation for power and durability. Defender engines produced 107bhp and the Discovery engines, with different manifolding produced 111bhp.

The 300tdi was introduced for the 1995 model year and had virtually the same HP ratings as the 200tdi.  While the 200tdi will mate up with a Series gearbox, the 300 tdi was designed for the R380 gearbox.  It would require more work to fit into a Series Land Rover than the 200tdi.

The 200tdi was in production during the 1990 through 1994 model years, was used in both Land Rover Defenders and Discoverys.   The version used in the Land Rover Defender is easier to fit into a Series Land Rover than the version used in the Land Rover Discovery due to the different manifolds. 

 

Gearing:

The Land Rover factory geared 200tdi Defenders with similar but just slightly higher gearing than stock Series Land Rover gearing.   Measured at the axle, the series only turns a couple hundred RPM faster than the 200 tdi in a Defender in gears 1 through 4.  Add a Roverdrive to the Series drivetrain and the overall gearing is close to that of a five speed 200Tdi Defender. Bottom line is that stock Series gearing with a Roverdrive will work with a 200tdi engine and a 200tdi engine can easily be mated with a Series bell housing.

Note that the gear ratios are almost exactly the same. The differences are in the transfer case and the R&P.

Gear

1

2

3

4

5

Series C suffix & newer

3.60:1

2.22:1

1.50:1

1:1

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LT77/LT77S, 200 tdi

3.59:1

2.30:1

1.507:1

1:1

0.83:1

Below is a comparison of gear ratios for a 200tdi Defender with common Series configurations

 

Low range

High range

Ashcroft high range

Roverdrive 4th gear

LT77 5th gear

Series transfercase gear  ratio

2.35:1

1.15:1

0.87:1

 

 

Series overall ratio at wheel, 4th gear

11.10:1

5.4:1

4.09:1

4.3:1

 

200tdi transfercase gear ratio

3.32:1

1.67:1

 

 

4.54:1

200tdi overall ratio at wheel, 4th gear

11.75:1

5.9:1

 

 

4.14:1

 

Series gearboxes are stronger and under less stress when in fourth gear, so fourth and fourth overdrive are the gearbox's strongest gears.  The D suffix and newer Series gearboxes have stronger shafts than C suffix and lower gearboxes (no clip groves) and the Roverdrive is the strongest of the overdrives made to fit a Series transfercase.  The LT77S is a stronger 5 speed than the LT77 and the series gearboxes.  The LT77's bell housing is longer than the Series bell housing and the gearbox is longer making it a poor fit into an 88 (very short rear propshaft).  Also don't forget that the LT77's and  LT230 ratios that were supplied with North American spec V8 Defenders and Discoverys are quite different and taller than the ratios the 200tdi seem to prefer.

 

Clutch:

The Land Rover 2.5L diesel 9.5” clutch pressure plate (part # 571228) and friction plate (part #  FRC2297) will bolt straight on to the 200TDI flywheel and mate with the series II/IIA gearbox.

 

Steering box clearance:

The stock LHD steering box location is a problem.  The turbo is very close with a Defender intake manifold and it is in the way with a Discovery intake manifold.  The conversion to a 200tdi would be an excellent time to convert a Series Land Rover to power steering

 

Front differential clearance:

The front differential can come in contact to the 200 tdi crank pulley during off road situations where the axle is pushed up to the bump stops.  Military bump stop extensions should prevent this from ever happening.  Tired flat springs exacerbate the problem so make sure you have good springs up front with proper arch.  If you have an 88 consider using standard 109 spring shackles (not military).  Standard 109 spring shackles are about a half inch longer than standard 88 spring shackles.

 

Discovery exhaust manifold and the frame:

The Discovery 200tdi intake manifold sits down low on the left side of the engine  intefering with a LHD steering box and possibly the frame rail.  A 109 frame is an inch taller than an 88 frame  in this position.    The turbo sits hard against the 109 frame  before the engine mounts are seated.

A Discovery turbo might fit a LHD 88 with power steering by shimming the engine mounts a ltttle.    Steve Parker Land Rover Ltd has a front exhaust pipe with tight bends designed to be used when a Discovery 200tdi is being installed into a Defender.  This special tube along with the conversion to power steering might allow the more common (and likely cheaper) Discovery 200 tdi to be used in an 88.


photo by Glen Anderson

Discovery manifolds will NOT fit into a 109

Where there is will, and a bit of clever thought, there is a way.

"Grandap Safari" had a custom adaptor welded up to go between a 200tdi Discovery exhaust manifold and the turbo that bends the turbo up from the frame.

On the other hand, what is to prevent a company that specializes in making custom exhaust headers  from making a steel tube exhaust header that optimiizes the loccation of the turbo in a Series engine bay?

 

Non turbocharged 200Di conversion

Richard at Glencoyne Enginnering makes a good case for installing a 200tdi engine without the turbo.  A good engine with burned out turbo out of a Discovery is much cheaper.  The engine is under less streass so will last loger.  It gets even better fuel milage than the turbo version and without a turbo. A 200Di has about 75-80 hp, slightly more than a healthy 2.25L petrol engine, only with a lot more bottom end torque.  Richard's test 88 conversion gets 35 UK MPG ( 29 USMPG) on the open highway.

Read Richard's step by step instructions covering his 200Di conversion into a Series Land Rover 

 

Exhaust system by Mark Rumsey

Turbo engines do not like backpressue at all. Not only does it sap power in the usual way restrictive exhausts do, it also causes the turbo to come on boost later and deliver lower boost pressures. I think you will find the TDi will perform pretty poorly and be comparatively thirsty if you try and run it through a standard exhaust. Even when you're not using the full output, if the turbo is producing boost the engine could be shifting about half as much exhaust gas again as a normally aspirated engine (at full boost it could be shifting twice what an N/A engine produces) and will feel seriously bunged up. There is also the potential problem of higher exhaust port and valve temperatures as the engine is having to work harder to get rid of the gas and the gas will be hanging around inside the engine longer. If you can't afford a full system at the moment I would suggest as a minimum getting hold of a TDi, V8 or even a 6 cylinder silencer from somewhere and work that in somewhere in place of the standard silencer even if you can't go as far as fitting the larger diameter pipe.

 

Cooling:

I've been told that a Series thermostat housing can be used on a 200tdi engine allowing a heavy duty Series radiator to be used along with an intercooler and an oil cooler.  Either way, the 200tdi is easily damaged through overheating and care should be taken when designing a cooling system for the engine. Because of this you need to monitor the engine temperature.  It you want to reuse your old electric temperature gauge you have two choices.  One is that the green top 300tdi sending unit ( part # AMR1425) is can be used instead of the 200tdi sender, which is way off.  The 300tdi sender unit is not an exact match for the gauge but it is close enough for you to get a good idea of what is going on.  You other option is to cut a cooling hose and insert a metal 'T' with a pipe fitting threaded hole and use a stock Series sending unit.  If you have a gauge hole free you can always buy an electric temp. gauge with a metric threaded sending unit.

 

A BIG concern should be parts: 

Cylinder heads (LR # RTC6896) are NLA
Defender intake manifolds (LR # ERR1435) are NLA
Defender exhaust manifolds (LR # ERR678) are listed but dealers have not been able to get any since fall of '06

Normal consumable part supplies are OK but no one has made any attempt to produce replacements to major components since owners would normally be expected to swap in a 300tdi engine, which is harder to fit into a Series Land Rover.

 

Reports from actual 200tdi into Series Land Rover conversions:

  1. Glen Anderson's conversion, still in process
  2. Mark and Forrest Clifton's conversion
  3. Wiring a 200tdi after transplant into a Series Land Rover

Conversion writeups on other sites:

  1. LR4X4 forum  - Disco 200tdi into a Defender
  2. Muddy Tyres - Disco 200tdi into Defender
  3. Nicks Jungle - Defender 200tdi into a Defender
  4. Richard of Glencoyne Engineering has a top notch writeup about installind a 200DI (no turbo) into a Series rig.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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